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LILLIPUT ROBOT - KT CK

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Translated from Toys Club (Kitahara)

As for me and others Gulliver! Lee Lee pad = robot

The Lee Lee pad 㣠㦠knowing, it increases? It is name of dwarf country which Gulliver visits in Gulliver itinerary. As for this time introducing as that it is the small robot which can acquire the same name. The extent which is placed in also the 㲠and others in 5 centimeter ×7 centimeter ×16 centimeter and the hand very easily the small this robot. Manufacturer name is not recognized with respect to obscurity, production year well. The paper construction assembly robot of the supplement of pre-world war 2 " boy club " and the illustration of the picture story (most the " android " how writing on that, it met, however it is is, don't you think? because) entirely is, you think prior to world war 2, occupied Japan (Japan make under occupying) it is either one. Because prior to world war 2 as for the toy of the robot those which were made with the wood were many, as for being the margin Japanese oldest tinplate robot in either one you are not wrong, probably will be. As for power spring. Winding the spring from the left side of the body, when from the STOP you turn on the switch of the back in the GO, it starts walking. The atomic robot man who is introduced even with this corner of the time before compared to one it turns and being to be large, it does, but the device which walks completely the same. Being real to walk very with the movement, the pin in both pair of by left and right alternately coming out of the sole it does. Because the both arms move with with one and with the elbow freely, with the shaking of the body that it seems as shaken the hand, it is visible. Each part of the body being formed with rectangular parallelepiped, the truly simple feeling is received. The body extension ょ uninformed the graduation of meter, the mechanic 㣠㽠it is very. To being in the face the eyebrow and the nose and the pupil, in the mouth to the tooth the extent which has been attached truly human. This gap is pleasant, it is is. For the first time any where you looked at this robot it is the photograph of the publication of the foreign country, but the upper body pulls page to 1 large and it was the monochrome photograph which is extended and is printed. Since receiving intense impression, being to have searched in various ways, it does, but about 4 years ago, the German collector, from the Claus * van you inserted in the hand with trade. Of the friend receiving also the color copy of the box ray * lower, somehow it is the case that dream serves. April of 1991 edition

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It seems that Kitahara is saying that Pre War Robots were made of WOOD and Post War robots were made of Tin Cans. with Bright Chrome Hands, It is probably from that Mysterious batch that showed up in the 80's???. Who really knows?

And Just who is " Claus * van you inserted in the hand with trade " ???

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Toy story of TIN TOY STORY tinplate

The word, tinplate has come the board and the ブリク where Dutch shines (the blik) from. As for that tinplate sheet starts being imported in Japan 1874, around 8. Being to be utilized in the petroleum can and the like, it does, among beginning, but the toy which from Germany and the like was made with the tinplate is imported many, is stimulated to that and is high, production of the toy of the tinplate started even in Japan. Vis-a-vis the modern train and the steam ship of the import toy, those which at that time were made were the Japanese ガラガラ and the rickshaw and the turtle et cetera. Start the toy association which is inactive receives liveliness in the Nisshin war of 1894, furthermore import of the tinplate printer and introduction of the rational press machine, appearance of the steel iron spring which is called the German spring from around of 1906 progresses. Eventually, it changes to Germany which suffers a blow in the first world war, Japan becomes main country of origin of the tinplate toy.

The production discontinuance of the tinplate toy with political situation insecurity from around 1938, furthermore the World War II and the inactivity of industry continued, but, under occupying says production * export is reopened in 1947. Next year, friction toy such as train and fire truck and automobile appears,, the electromotive toy changes to the friction toy in around 1955, until the tinplate make toy occupies 60% of all the toy export amounts, reaches in 1963.

But, the plastic and you transfer the position to the super alloy on the sixties latter half, being to mean to disappear that gradually you do.

Toy museum * curator of tinplate - illuminating Hisashi Kitahara

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I've run into a dead-end for now-will try to reopen the "case". A trademark expert friend of mine is still looking into the KT trademark(I think this is where the true answer lies). He was also going to ask the people at Masudaya on his next trip to Japan. Let me see if this has gotten anywhere.

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I think it will end up being the same company or like "Metal House" the same factory.

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I think your on the right track-KT might be something akin to metal house-a strict manufacturer for the big names such as Masudaya. My point is did they exist after the war. If not-we know that Lilliput is a prewar toy for sure.

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Hi Guys,

Don't know if you've seen this but when was the last time you saw this on Ebay?

Lilliput

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Lilliput has been on ebay before(sold for about 4,400 on the sellers 2nd try). The robot looks real but I personally do not like private auctions. You really do not know what is going on-plus you have a dealer form Argentina-what recourse would one have if something goes wrong.

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"Click To Enlarge" the fourth &/or fifth photo for a nice look at the K.T logo.

Anybody know anything more about this seldom seen trademark?

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Joe-the K.T. logo is shrouded in as much mystery as lilliput. Even my trademark expert friend-William Gallagher(author of Japanese Toys)does not yet have a "history" to report on them. Their trademark has appeared on a number of pre-war boxes along with various other trademarks such as Masudaya. Lilliput is also a dual trade mark item as C.K. appears on the box lid. My gut feeling is that K.T. was a manufacturer behind several Japanese companies much like Metal House. To date I have no proof of this. I feel once I nail down their history we will know Lilliput's true dating. I have never seen a KT trademark on a post WWII toy.(this certainly does not mean that there wasn't one).If in fact they did not survive the war-this is definate proof that Lilliput is a pre WWII toy. Will post when I have more definative info. When I have alittle more time I'm going to pursue this via ofiicial Japanese channels.

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Hi Friends,

I had a contact from the Nürnberg Toy Museum He told me the Lilliput Robot was Made in

1951/1955

Company Kuramochi Toys

Marke Monogramm K T im Halbkreis &

MADE IN JAPAN &

N.P. 5357

????

What do you think - real ? possible ?

I don,t know

Greetings

Volker

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well Volker, if true then it supports my view that Lilliput is NOT the oldest robot on record, but that is hardly enough to go on. Maybe the renewed interest in Patent searches will turn up something... I'm still rooting for the Atomic Robot Man as the oldest, although much evidence points to the contrary..only time, and uncovered research will tell. <_<

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here is an old link that has some good information.

http://community-2.webtv.net/rotomat/Early...primitiverobot/

I have always thought that Atomic Robot Man was first and that Lilliput came later.

What we know:

One original owner on " Antiques Road Show ".

(he knew everything about his BOXED toys but nothing about "HIS" loose Lilliput???)

One suspect receipt showing a date. to prove originality for FOUND MINT Lilliputs.

Many Many MINT IN BOX Lilliputs showing up in the 80's with suspected BRIGHT CHROME

and a one piece chest???

and now this thread and of course the following photo!!!

This should be interesting.

Where oh Where is STEVE???

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the best evidence so far

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